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Clearly stated? You think that this play clearly states that signals, even though not mentioned at all, obligate us to report a block and a charge on the same play, which is by definition, impossible. Well now there are three of us on record as saying this is not clear at all. I was told to take my argument to a higher authority. I did so, with great success if I must say so myself. I turn the challenge around now. One of you find out who wrote this case play and get an explanation from that person to say whether the common (mis)perception was indeed its original intended purpose. Even if it was I now have more than enough backing for my position to continue on the current path.
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Excellent. Go for it.
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I can tell you that it predates the NCAAW having their own rules book and interpretations separate from that of NCAAM. Hence, it is likely that the interpretation was written to match the one used by NCAAM or perhaps the NFHS one came first and NCAAM copied it. Either way, if we understand what the instruction is for how the NCAAM handle the situation, then we likely have the intended interpretation for the NFHS ruling.
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I'm pretty certain that case predates Howard's time on rules committee. But I could easily find out what he knows about it.
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Please do. It is my opinion that he or one of his colleagues could provide an accurate account of the intent.
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So now all that's left is: "Yeah, but that's what they meant to say."
I cannot speak for Ms. Wynn or Mr. Alexander, but I don't know, or care, what the intent was of the case play writer. It is fundamentally contrary to the rule itself. Block and charge for the same contact. Can't happen. It's impossible. Well, yeah, but the officials saw it that way, so we must penalize both fouls, even though we know one of them is wrong. And even if you think that concept is sound, why must the determining factor be an incorrect mechanic by the officials, something which does even remotely apply to any other situation. And even if you think that is a good idea, why, oh why in the name of Mr. Naismith and everything holy, wouldn't they have put something to that effect in the play??? "If the two officials give opposing preliminary signals, both fouls must be reported." This is the equivalent of coasting to a complete stop at a stop sign but the cop gives you a ticket because he didn't see your brake lights.
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My final say at this point.
1. The case is clear, IMO. It's identical to the NCAAM ruling, and it's clear to everyone what the requirement is at that level. 2. I can't imagine they wrote a case play to apply to two officials who are just simply too stubborn when every other double whistle (travel/foul) still requires them to come together. If so, it could just as easily apply to the NCAAW in situations where PCA isn't so clear. 3. The current editor of the NFHS rules says otherwise, but the case remains in the book. 4. My state and leadership wants it done the way that everyone I know has been doing it as long as I remember. 5. LA has directed otherwise. I'll follow the wording of the case play as I understand it util such a time as it changes or my state directs otherwise. 6. I've had exactly one of these, so I doubt it's really going to be an issue.
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It has already been proven that NCAA Women consider signals to equal calling/ruling. I don't think they JUST pulled that out of their butts.
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They're also saying that changing your mind is ok, but not at the influence of another official's signal communication.
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It's clear to me and anybody with whom I've ever officiated. I'm confident that streak will continue.
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