Rules Test

[ManInBlue]

I'm confident that I know the answer to this, but I'm having trouble finding the rule. Please site the rule in your answer.

"With one out and runners on second and third, the batter hits a single to left field. The runner on third touches home while the runner on second misses third and scores and the batter-runner missed first and safely goes to second. The defense properly apeals the runner missing third base and then appeal the batter-runner missing first. One run will be scored."

True or False - again, please site the rule or case play.

[pastordoug]

Rules 8-2-6k page 47 "If a baserunning infraction is the third out, runs scored by the following runner(s) would not count".

The run that scored was not "following."

Case 8.2.1 sit B

True...

[TussAgee11]

OBR -

4.09a - no runs score because batter/runner was retired before reaching 1st base for the 3rd out.

If you flipped the appeals, one run would score because none of the 3 provisions in 4.09a would have been met.

[ManInBlue]

I see your logic.

However, what has had me perplexed (and I just found 9-1-1a, and 8-2-6K) - the third out was the B-R prior to reaching 1B.

What has me quesitoning myself is - Is the play at 1B a timing play, or is it simply the third out at 1B before B-R reaches 1B?

[pastordoug]

I see the point and when I get back will do a little more research. I was quoting fron FED book... But might lean towards no runs due to BR not leaglly gaining 1st.

[kylejt]

The latter.

[ManInBlue]

Sorry - I didn't clarify - this is FED rules.

TussAgee's rule is still applicable as a FED rule.

[bob jenkins]

Originally Posted by ManInBlue

Sorry - I didn't clarify - this is FED rules.

TussAgee's rule is still applicable as a FED rule.

Doesn't matter, except for the specific references. If the third out is on a force, or by BR before reaching first, no runs can score.

[ManInBlue]

Originally Posted by bob jenkins

Doesn't matter, except for the specific references. If the third out is on a force, or by BR before reaching first, no runs can score.

That's what I was thinking.

[johnnyg08]

The above posters are correct. No runs score.

[johnnyg08]

Passing a base in my understanding is the same as touching it until of course an appeal.

[scarolinablue]

...we'll have fun and a likely ejection, since we don't do appeals in FED ball. Don't ask me why, we just don't...if we see it, we call it. If we don't, we don't. In the case of this play, we'll likely be ejecting the OC after explaining to him why his run will not count. Or, ejecting the DC if U1 didn't see the B/R miss first base from the C and the DC saw it...

[jicecone]

Originally Posted by scarolinablue

...we'll have fun and a likely ejection, since we don't do appeals in FED ball. Don't ask me why, we just don't...if we see it, we call it. If we don't, we don't. In the case of this play, we'll likely be ejecting the OC after explaining to him why his run will not count. Or, ejecting the DC if U1 didn't see the B/R miss first base from the C and the DC saw it...

SAY WHAT?

"we don't do appeals in FED ball."

Please enlighten us? This IS, 2010 isn't it?

[dash_riprock]

Not in South Carolina.

[scarolinablue]

Originally Posted by jicecone

SAY WHAT?

"we don't do appeals in FED ball."

Please enlighten us? This IS, 2010 isn't it?

What dash said...

For whatever reason (my eighth year of FED ball and I still don't know the reason behind it...maybe lawump will read this and chime in...) we do not do appeals in South Carolina. If we see an appealable play, we call it. The burden is not on the defense to appeal, it is done automatically (assuming it is seen by the umpire).

That said, the longtime head of baseball in the SC High School League has retired, so maybe this quirk will be on its way out soon. I can only hope...