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With 12 seconds to go in the 1st quarter A55 is called for holding on a run that ends up in bounds.

After the enforcement of the penalty the Ref winds the clock for the ready for play.

A stays in the huddle to let the time run out.

IN THIS SITUATION WE WILL HAVE ONE UNTIMED DOWN- CORRECT?

Same situation as above but A tries to run a play and we have a dead ball false start on the offense.

After the enforcement of the dead ball penalty the Ref winds the clock for the ready for play.

Once again the clock runs out.

IN THIS SITUATION DO WE HAVE ONE UNTIMED DOWN?

Rule book states dead ball fouls do not constitute and untimed down. Or is this still considered a replay of the live ball foul play?